| Author | Topic: population growth |
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sobe_lizard |  10/15/2009 11:56:25 AM  Locked Thread
Why is this a topic that seldom gets any attention? IMO, population growth is far more dangerous to the future of the planet than global warming, yet nobody ever talks about it.
And if you buy into man-caused global warming, then this should be of concern to you as the two are directly connected.
If we can implement multi-billion dollar policies that restrict personal freedom in the name of saving the planet from climate change, then why not apply the same logic and implement policies aimed at reducing our population? -This message has been edited by sobe_lizard on 10/15/2009 11:58:48 AM |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 12:25:14 PMLocked Thread
you think it would be easier to restrict people's reproductive rights then their right to burn things? not likely. |
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sobe_lizard | 10/15/2009 12:34:18 PMLocked Thread
screenname quote:
you think it would be easier to restrict people's reproductive rights then their right to burn things? not likely.
You could do it through taxation. 3rd child and beyond, instead of getting credits, you pay penalties. -This message has been edited by sobe_lizard on 10/15/2009 12:36:14 PM |
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new_method | 10/15/2009 1:08:15 PMLocked Thread
Actually, a closer correlation would be 'wealth' and environmental impact than just plain population growth. The more wealthy one is the more they tend to consume compared to those living in slums in undeveloped countries.
Another thing, Population growth seems to be slightly diminishing and might peak sometime this century.
[url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html>https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html[/url>
Japan, Russia, Italy, Poland, Germany, and about 25 other countries are experieincing neg. fertility decline. |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 1:18:36 PMLocked Thread
sobe_lizard quote:
You could do it through taxation. 3rd child and beyond, instead of getting credits, you pay penalties.-This message has been edited by sobe_lizard on 10/15/2009 12:36:14 PM
considering that the majority of population growth occurs in developing countries, I don't think that's going to work that well. |
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sobe_lizard | 10/15/2009 1:50:40 PMLocked Thread
screenname quote:
considering that the majority of population growth occurs in developing countries, I don't think that's going to work that well.
Don't Americans use more natural resources than any citizens of any other country?
I always hear how we are the leading contributers to global warming - well, we're also the leading natural resource users. So again, same logic applies. |
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Wyldechild | 10/15/2009 1:56:28 PMLocked Thread
sobe_lizard quote:
Don't Americans use more natural resources than any citizens of any other country?
I always hear how we are the leading contributers to global warming - well, we're also the leading natural resource users. So again, same logic applies.
Your premise was that population growth is a larger threat to the world thanclimate change.
The population growth of the US is predicted to decline (already) without any policy changes, according to the Census Bureau.
The U.S. population growth rate is slowing.
Despite these large increases in the number of persons in the population, the rate of population growth, referred to as the average annual percent change,1 is projected to decrease during the next six decades by about 50 percent, from 1.10 between 1990 and 1995 to 0.54 between 2040 and 2050. The decrease in the rate of growth is predominantly due to the aging of the population and, consequently, a dramatic increase in the number of deaths. From 2030 to 2050, the United States would grow more slowly than ever before in its history. -This message has been edited by Wyldechild on 10/15/2009 1:59:20 PM |
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Wyldechild | 10/15/2009 2:02:06 PMLocked Thread
What I find most ironic is that Sobe is an ardent supporter of individual freedom and a pretty vocal critic of government intervention in the lives of its citizens, yet here, he argues for government action in restricting an individual's reproductive freedom through legislative fiat.
lols. |
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new_method | 10/15/2009 2:04:33 PMLocked Thread
Wyldechild quote:
What I find most ironic is that Sobe is an ardent supporter of individual freedom and a pretty vocal critic of government intervention in the lives of its citizens, yet here, he argues for government action in restricting an individual's reproductive freedom through legislative fiat.
lols.
classic. |
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Wyldechild | 10/15/2009 2:05:24 PMLocked Thread
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he must be chinese
Yeah well, a lot of good that 1-child policy did for the Chinese. Now they're facing a massive labor shortage and an aging population that will be unable to sustain its growth rate. |
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SuicideVan | 10/15/2009 2:13:13 PMLocked Thread
I can't wait until Mark sees this topic, and who it was posted by. Wish greenman was here. |
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Wyldechild | 10/15/2009 2:13:35 PMLocked Thread
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I can't wait until Mark sees this topic, and who it was posted by. Wish greenman was here.
Greenman's in general forum. |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 2:14:03 PMLocked Thread
sobe_lizard quote:
Don't Americans use more natural resources than any citizens of any other country?
I always hear how we are the leading contributers to global warming - well, we're also the leading natural resource users. So again, same logic applies.
per capita, sure. |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 2:15:07 PMLocked Thread
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dropped already since the recession
but the world population hasn't |
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SuicideVan | 10/15/2009 2:16:31 PMLocked Thread
Wyldechild quote:
Greenman's in general forum.
He was one of the most vocal Eugenizers...wonder how CX feels about this topic as well. |
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Wyldechild | 10/15/2009 2:18:17 PMLocked Thread
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He was one of the most vocal Eugenizers...wonder how CX feels about this topic as well.
I always find it funny how people can say "I don't want the government controlling my life but it's okay if the government controls other people's lives."-This message has been edited by Wyldechild on 10/15/2009 2:20:21 PM |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 2:19:43 PMLocked Thread
Johnny_ quote:
did you even read what i replied to?
he was talking about US population. shut the fuck up.
however, the original topic wasn't. I was pointing that out. |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 2:25:52 PMLocked Thread
Johnny_ quote:
US population growth isn't nearly as relevant to climate change as the world population growth is. Therefore, the fact that the US rate has slowed due to the recession is irrelevant to the actual issue at hand. |
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SuicideVan | 10/15/2009 2:26:01 PMLocked Thread
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I always find it funny how people can say "I don't want the government controlling my life but it's okay if the government controls other people's lives."-This message has been edited by Wyldechild on 10/15/2009 2:20:21 PM
That is a great way to put it. Individuals, just as firms, seek to externalize costs. |
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screenname | 10/15/2009 2:29:31 PMLocked Thread
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so then why reply to me, and not the person who initially brought the topic up?
an excellent question.... probably because you seem to hate me so much. |
